Civilization marching in sync to fulfill Nostradamus's prophesies. As common sense in science is lost with the continued stagnation of our energy base and deep troubling theoretical foundational issues in physics, so too, Civilization's Survival Parameters fly out of sight, out of mind, along with the values and morals inherent within new scientific understanding which new energy systems would reveal. 
The new scientific comprehension eliminates the caveman 'club/stick' conflict resolution methods still used in the 21st century. Besides, caveman club/stick methods do not work well with nuclear toys, as they threaten all of humanityCheney: 'We Will Not Allow' Iran Nukes
Vice President Threatens 'Serious' Consequences
By JOHN HENDREN
WASHINGTON, Oct. 21, 2007 —
Vice President Dick Cheney today issued his sternest warning to date on Iran, saying the Persian nation will not be allowed to pursue its nuclear program.
Dismissing Iran's claims that it is seeking only nuclear energy and not a weapons program, Cheney accused Iranian leaders of pursuing a practice of "delay and deception in an obvious effort to buy time."
"Our country, and the entire international community, cannot stand by as a terror-supporting state fulfills its grandest ambitions," Cheney told the Washington Institute for Near East Studies. "The Iranian regime needs to know that if it stays on its present course the international community is prepared to impose serious consequences."
The rising rhetoric could signal that President Bush intends to take action -- possibly military action -- to halt Iran's nuclear program before the president leaves office on Jan. 20, 2009, some analysts said.
"That's pretty firm, clear language," Michael O'Hanlon, a military analyst for the Brookings Institution, told ABC News of Cheney's wording. "And it raises more clearly the specter of military action. That is much more than saying this isn't just an option that we've taken off the table."
Cheney's statement bore a striking resemblance to this warning before an audience of Republicans on Jan. 31, 2003, less than two months before the U.S. invasion of Iraq: "We will not permit a brutal dictator with ties to terror and a record of feckless aggression to dominate the Middle East and to threaten the United States."
A spokeswoman for the vice president said his statements today echoed his previous comments on Iran.
On March 7, 2006, for instance, he told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, "And we join other nations in sending that regime a clear message: We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon."
And on May 11, 2007, he said, "We'll stand with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating this region."
But analysts said the administration's talk on Iran has taken on a tone of rising warning and aggressiveness, particularly on a week that included an unusually strongly worded admonition from President Bush earlier this week.
"We got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Bush told reporters at the White House. "So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
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I guess I'm going to make everyone MAD, neocon and progressive alike. Its not a question of letting Iran have nuclear weapons, its a question of letting that little Israel hating sociopathic pseudoleader of Iran have it. He rants and raves and makes me think of those old movies of Hitler strutting back and forth on the podium as he told Europe what he was going to do, and then he did it. He lies when he talks on Western TV. But then again he is allowed because in his belief system he can lie to the infidel. When he talks on Islamic TV its all about destroying Israel and destroying America and destroying Democracy as evils and enemies of Islam. He wants a nuclear weapon to threaten and then drop on Israel, and maybe give to whatever terrorist of the week is around to destroy something western: a base, a city etc. Do we sit back and wait to be Nuked? Especially by someone who tells his people and all Islamic countries hes going to do it? I'll let y'all argue about that. I just got back from a second tour in Iraq. It's already a civil war. Ive been there, I will probably have to go back. Cheney with his lies and fear mongering got us into this quicksand and it will take a miracle to get us out. There were no weapons of mass destructions. LOL Cheney knew it. But from what Ive heard through the Military grapevine, two days after 9/11 there was a meeting of the National Security Folks to discuss 5 countries to be attacked in seven years. Well he did two of them didn't he? and he's headed for the third. We are in for a terrible next couple of decades and unfortunately whether its republican or democrat president doesn't make much difference. Weve stuck a stick in a fire ant hill, kicked a hornets nest, turned over a bee hive and shook a red tablecloth in front of a charging bull and what are we going to do? Cheney's option is to shoot the bull,and pour flaming gasoline on the anthill and hornets nest and gas the bees. Thats one solution
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Cheney only has a few working brain cells left, a few more than his side-kick. Fear and war mongering are what these dolts do best and the weak, mentally weak, and spineless love cowering behind this blather. This is how these two got elected, both times. Bet they all love the war they got us into!
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Thanks whosays4923! But now I have another question. What are the American People supposed to do? Just sit back and take it?
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Meaning what Darth?? Shall we bomb them into submission. America must face the reality. The nuclear genie is out of the bag. It will be impossible to keep other non-nuclear nations like Iran from developing nuclear technolgy. It is inevitable and unstoppable.
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JoT: I agree, these neocons are making the world a more frightening place for us and more importantly our children. I also agree that this planet cannot endure another world war. But how are we to stop this madness if we speak out and end up in an extraordinary rendition? It seems like people aren't paying attention anymore. This system is not working. Why hasn't Congress delivered on all of the promises they made the last election?Posted by:gonzalez2319 4:59 PMMark As Violation =====================================================================================why? it's a question of MATHEMATICS. THe united states citizens simply didn't elect ENOUGH democrats. The democrats can send through any bill they want but the GOD of the NEOCONS, President Bush, can just veto and since there's not 66% democrats in the house or senate, then all vetos cannot be overturned and thus, NOTHING can be done. HOwever, with that said, this time, the president cannot get the congress to vote with a MAJORITY to launch a strike in Iran.
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Hey JoT. I am totally with you, this planet cannot have another WW and I agree that something needs to be done to "change the course". But here is a topic for discussion. How can we, the American people force this change? Weren't we promised some sort of change when we elected new members of Congress. I agree with you that something needs to be done, so please someone tell me/try to explain/hypothesize why Congress seems powerless against these neocons?
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JoT: I agree, these neocons are making the world a more frightening place for us and more importantly our children. I also agree that this planet cannot endure another world war. But how are we to stop this madness if we speak out and end up in an extraordinary rendition? It seems like people aren't paying attention anymore. This system is not working. Why hasn't Congress delivered on all of the promises they made the last election?
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Seems the US is the one who makes the nuclear weapons. We fly them around the US. Was Cheney in on that? Was he after Hillery?
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I’d say when you cons get through with us, we won’t needOsama Bin Laden to be ‘short timers’. You will make usall ‘short timers’ because we’ll all be charred, radioactive remains. You ‘shoot first and negotiate later’ stupidity has netted us a defeat in Iraq, failure to capture Osama Bin Laden, the destabilizationof Pakistan and now Kurdestan….It is sad to say that the world wouldbe better off and there’d be a few hundred thousand deaths fewerif Saddam Hussein had stayed in power.
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Oh PLEASE. So you're saying that Israel and the US can have nuclear weapons... but Iran can't ? Don't get me wrong... I am not Iranian and I'm not a supporter to it in any way. In fact I am against everything about it. But who IS Cheney to make these demands over another country? It's none of his affair. Frankly I think it'll just make the Iranians even more stubborn.
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American People: We will not allow Dick Cheney to be our Vice President anymore. We of America will not go into a World War III for someone like Cheney and George Bush. Our world, indeed, our plannet cannot stand another World War. Would someone, some organization, some political party, please impeach these guys before they get America blown to hell.
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Vice President Threatens 'Serious' Consequences
By JOHN HENDREN
WASHINGTON, Oct. 21, 2007 —
Vice President Dick Cheney today issued his sternest warning to date on Iran, saying the Persian nation will not be allowed to pursue its nuclear program.
Dismissing Iran's claims that it is seeking only nuclear energy and not a weapons program, Cheney accused Iranian leaders of pursuing a practice of "delay and deception in an obvious effort to buy time."
"Our country, and the entire international community, cannot stand by as a terror-supporting state fulfills its grandest ambitions," Cheney told the Washington Institute for Near East Studies. "The Iranian regime needs to know that if it stays on its present course the international community is prepared to impose serious consequences."
The rising rhetoric could signal that President Bush intends to take action -- possibly military action -- to halt Iran's nuclear program before the president leaves office on Jan. 20, 2009, some analysts said.
"That's pretty firm, clear language," Michael O'Hanlon, a military analyst for the Brookings Institution, told ABC News of Cheney's wording. "And it raises more clearly the specter of military action. That is much more than saying this isn't just an option that we've taken off the table."
Cheney's statement bore a striking resemblance to this warning before an audience of Republicans on Jan. 31, 2003, less than two months before the U.S. invasion of Iraq: "We will not permit a brutal dictator with ties to terror and a record of feckless aggression to dominate the Middle East and to threaten the United States."
A spokeswoman for the vice president said his statements today echoed his previous comments on Iran.
On March 7, 2006, for instance, he told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, "And we join other nations in sending that regime a clear message: We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon."
And on May 11, 2007, he said, "We'll stand with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating this region."
But analysts said the administration's talk on Iran has taken on a tone of rising warning and aggressiveness, particularly on a week that included an unusually strongly worded admonition from President Bush earlier this week.
"We got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Bush told reporters at the White House. "So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures
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I guess I'm going to make everyone MAD, neocon and progressive alike. Its not a question of letting Iran have nuclear weapons, its a question of letting that little Israel hating sociopathic pseudoleader of Iran have it. He rants and raves and makes me think of those old movies of Hitler strutting back and forth on the podium as he told Europe what he was going to do, and then he did it. He lies when he talks on Western TV. But then again he is allowed because in his belief system he can lie to the infidel. When he talks on Islamic TV its all about destroying Israel and destroying America and destroying Democracy as evils and enemies of Islam. He wants a nuclear weapon to threaten and then drop on Israel, and maybe give to whatever terrorist of the week is around to destroy something western: a base, a city etc. Do we sit back and wait to be Nuked? Especially by someone who tells his people and all Islamic countries hes going to do it? I'll let y'all argue about that. I just got back from a second tour in Iraq. It's already a civil war. Ive been there, I will probably have to go back. Cheney with his lies and fear mongering got us into this quicksand and it will take a miracle to get us out. There were no weapons of mass destructions. LOL Cheney knew it. But from what Ive heard through the Military grapevine, two days after 9/11 there was a meeting of the National Security Folks to discuss 5 countries to be attacked in seven years. Well he did two of them didn't he? and he's headed for the third. We are in for a terrible next couple of decades and unfortunately whether its republican or democrat president doesn't make much difference. Weve stuck a stick in a fire ant hill, kicked a hornets nest, turned over a bee hive and shook a red tablecloth in front of a charging bull and what are we going to do? Cheney's option is to shoot the bull,and pour flaming gasoline on the anthill and hornets nest and gas the bees. Thats one solution
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Cheney only has a few working brain cells left, a few more than his side-kick. Fear and war mongering are what these dolts do best and the weak, mentally weak, and spineless love cowering behind this blather. This is how these two got elected, both times. Bet they all love the war they got us into!
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Thanks whosays4923! But now I have another question. What are the American People supposed to do? Just sit back and take it?
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Meaning what Darth?? Shall we bomb them into submission. America must face the reality. The nuclear genie is out of the bag. It will be impossible to keep other non-nuclear nations like Iran from developing nuclear technolgy. It is inevitable and unstoppable.
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JoT: I agree, these neocons are making the world a more frightening place for us and more importantly our children. I also agree that this planet cannot endure another world war. But how are we to stop this madness if we speak out and end up in an extraordinary rendition? It seems like people aren't paying attention anymore. This system is not working. Why hasn't Congress delivered on all of the promises they made the last election?Posted by:gonzalez2319 4:59 PMMark As Violation =====================================================================================why? it's a question of MATHEMATICS. THe united states citizens simply didn't elect ENOUGH democrats. The democrats can send through any bill they want but the GOD of the NEOCONS, President Bush, can just veto and since there's not 66% democrats in the house or senate, then all vetos cannot be overturned and thus, NOTHING can be done. HOwever, with that said, this time, the president cannot get the congress to vote with a MAJORITY to launch a strike in Iran.
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Hey JoT. I am totally with you, this planet cannot have another WW and I agree that something needs to be done to "change the course". But here is a topic for discussion. How can we, the American people force this change? Weren't we promised some sort of change when we elected new members of Congress. I agree with you that something needs to be done, so please someone tell me/try to explain/hypothesize why Congress seems powerless against these neocons?
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JoT: I agree, these neocons are making the world a more frightening place for us and more importantly our children. I also agree that this planet cannot endure another world war. But how are we to stop this madness if we speak out and end up in an extraordinary rendition? It seems like people aren't paying attention anymore. This system is not working. Why hasn't Congress delivered on all of the promises they made the last election?
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Seems the US is the one who makes the nuclear weapons. We fly them around the US. Was Cheney in on that? Was he after Hillery?
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I’d say when you cons get through with us, we won’t needOsama Bin Laden to be ‘short timers’. You will make usall ‘short timers’ because we’ll all be charred, radioactive remains. You ‘shoot first and negotiate later’ stupidity has netted us a defeat in Iraq, failure to capture Osama Bin Laden, the destabilizationof Pakistan and now Kurdestan….It is sad to say that the world wouldbe better off and there’d be a few hundred thousand deaths fewerif Saddam Hussein had stayed in power.
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Oh PLEASE. So you're saying that Israel and the US can have nuclear weapons... but Iran can't ? Don't get me wrong... I am not Iranian and I'm not a supporter to it in any way. In fact I am against everything about it. But who IS Cheney to make these demands over another country? It's none of his affair. Frankly I think it'll just make the Iranians even more stubborn.
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American People: We will not allow Dick Cheney to be our Vice President anymore. We of America will not go into a World War III for someone like Cheney and George Bush. Our world, indeed, our plannet cannot stand another World War. Would someone, some organization, some political party, please impeach these guys before they get America blown to hell.
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